Overlord?

Here's what's funny, and sort of ties in with this particular topic:

I am currently reading "The Gods Were Astronauts", by Erich Von Daniken...........he pretty much says that a lot of the things that humans attribute to "divine" or "Godly" visits are probably the work of something (definitely higher than us on the intelligence scale) screwing with us. He discusses the visions of the children at Fatima for one specific example.

He raises a question I have been asking for years: Why is it, if Xtianity is the "true" religion, that non-Xtians don't have visions of Mary/Jesus? Why is it always Xtian believers?

If you're lost..........sorry.........circling back to the reptilian overlord subject: is it possible that those who are much wiser than we are are simply doing mind experiments to see what will happen? To see how we will react? Are we nothing more than a carefully controlled experiment?

We tend to think of the human race as SO vast, so grand, so far-thinking. The truth is that we might as well still be scrabbling around in caves. I do not believe that we TRULY invent anything, or discover anything. I believe it is fed to us at the proper time.

How else can you explain things like............the steam engine. Several men, continents apart, came up with the idea for a steam engine at the same time. Why?

I hope this isn't too rambling, and I hope y'all can see why I'm trying to tie this in this thread.

Not not that all! Please explain more about the Xtians!

What I was saying was that both civilization and other religions are much older than the idea of Christianity. Before "the word" was handed down, ancient cultures represented what they SAW through petroglyphs, statues, and later, writings. Christianity borrowed HEAVILY from the older religions; using ancient Indian and Sumerian (among others) beliefs. It was ground up and repackaged, but it was still the same stuff.

Also..........why is it that non-Xtians don't get stigmata? I saw a story once of a stigmatic who learned to control her bleeding of 'Christ's wounds' through hypnosis. Is it all in the mind? If GOD wanted everyone to believe in "Him" the way the Bible puts it out, why would he not give this affliction to non-Xtians?

It is not hard to look at old Mayan statues and glyphs and see men in spacesuits, men in rocketships, etc. There are many ancient writings and pictures depicting flying craft, and people in them.

God may not be what everyone assumes him/her to be. It could very well be that God is, in fact, an alien life form and that other alien life forms helped to create our civilization.

Yay, finally someone who gets it

God is an Alien, or more to the point an alien race who came down and seeded what we currently are. Back in the day (Pre-Xtian) when good old prehistoric man was roaming the earth, they saw this bright shiny thing come down out of the sky. It's occupants get out and start bossing them about, (caveman is still very ape-like and not so smart), interbreeding occurs and next thing you know, man has evolved and the alien race being the ones responsible become known as 'GOD' because they made it all happen. Poor old caveman hasn't ever seen a spaceship or alien before so they assume this is their maker and the aliens are happy to go along with this because it gives them power and control, not just over poor underdeveloped caveman, but also over what man will evolve into now he has alien dna mixed with his own.

The aliens come and go throughout history, always reinforcing their status of 'God' because what other reference does man have? He is evolving and formed in the image of God (i.e. we look like these aliens therefore they must be the creator Himself) and really, well there just wasn't anything else around on planet Earth remotely like the craft the 'Gods' were flying so back then man didn't know any better: beings who could fly must have been special and feared because of their technology, knowledge and powers. Man thought he was inferior having lack of these.

As man progressed these things grew into the religion of Christianity. God is believed in but never seen, as man has now acquired knowledge and technology, and some of us have even realised that we ourselves are God as we carry alien dna and we invented the concept of God from mistaking this early visitation from an alien race as being something divine as we didn't know any better.

Okay, well that is my 'hitchhikers guide to the galaxy' theory anyway

On the matter of stigmata only occurring in Xtians - BZZZTTT - that one isn't true. I know two non-xtians who recently experienced it, (one of them being myself). Yet another misinformation in the beliefs that have been formed around the whole Christian ideology. If you think outside the box, there are far more intriguing and fitting explanations.

Just don't ask me to take photos as proof cos I wasn't around back in those ancient caveman days (or maybe I was, but in either case cameras were not invented then).

I know about Atlanis (the worldwide human society which came before.) I doubt it had a religion as such, just spiritual understandings. Great ones too I'm sure. Then, it looks to me, that we were visited. Aliens came who presented themselves before us as gods and we accepted them as our creators. Before them, we had worshipped the Earth as a goddess, after them our minds turned to the stars and away from Mother Earth. I did hear somewhere though that the 'original religion' was Chritian-like.

Every so often another Christian group rises to try to purify or cleanse the corrupt or stagnant state it has gotten into. Like the Protestants, but eventually they all get big and blouted and corrupt as well. Sounds like the Xtians is the latest movement.

I'm not sure this discussion is in its right place. Might have to move it...

The original religion was not christian-like. As Bathory pointed out :christianity borrowed HEAVILY from older religions."

I don't believe any of those religions began as anything more than humankind making meaning of the actions or orders of off planet cultures who seeded us. After reading Neale Donald Walsch, I agree with him about many points he made about God. Only a controlling force would wish harm on or threaten followers. Not a God of love and compassion.

Again I see it as a situation where we put ourselves above other energies and believe that what our ancestors wrote in regard to religious beliefs must be true because we wrote it (and we wouldn't lie to ourselves, would we???). I see alot of people following these beliefs and even creating a reality out of it through their collective consiousness, but I personally see things very differently. For me, most religions are fear-based. They teach us to give our personal power away to external sources and keep us trapped like prisoners and under control. In this state, how is it possible to go within and realise who we truly are or what we are really capable of achieving? We are being taught to rely on a God or deity to make all our decisions and even to save us when things go bad. The only faith that is going to be of use in the future, or even now, is faith in ourselves and who we are.

I know Night Star and she is correct. I just remember reading somewhere that archaeologists uncovered evidence that, as it happens, the original Human religion was very Christian-like (believing in love and whatnot.) But we did worship the Goddess, or Mother Earth, for a long time. The Zulu Chieftain I posted about claims that once we couldn't even see the sky; that it was covered in a dark mist. Whether this was metaphorical or not, it points out that at one time we loved and worshipped the Earth, before "gods" came down and told us to look to the stars and believe in God instead.

Goth, I think you hit it right on the mark. Well said!

Perhaps originally there was no aliens here so we figured the earth itself was our creator?

It is interesting that even way back then there was a sense of gratitude and respect in human beings (or hominids as they more than likely were then) that developed into the idea of religion: giving thanks to the creator for giving them life and rewarding them with praise and keeping them happy. Even more interesting that fear also must have been part of that - if they didn't keep the creator happy by acknowledging them, then they might be destroyed.

Perhaps that is a big projection on my part. I don't really have a clue as to how the hominids thought and am only guessing. But if I am right, there is that duality that forms the balance in all things: the positive and the negative, the love and the fear, the yin and the yang...

Yeah that's what I gather about ancient history; that people saw the Earth as the creator and destroyer. Things come up from the ground, and then die and return to the ground. I believe that's where burying out dead comes from; returning to Mother Nature.